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		By: Davood Gozli		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2019 09:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-274&quot;&gt;Jonathan Pageau&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your comment, Jonathan. I have read Jordanetics, as I have read the 12 Rules for Life (and, incidentally, I have also been devoting 1 lecture per year to Maps of Meaning). I wouldn&#039;t dismiss Jordanetics as you do, but that&#039;s because I see it primarily as a useful essay in anti-idolatry (i.e., in humanizing JBP) than a work of slander. You make a fair point, and I don&#039;t want to read too much into the 3-day loss of sleep, but I also cannot imagine such a level of anxiety outside of the prestige economy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-274">Jonathan Pageau</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, Jonathan. I have read Jordanetics, as I have read the 12 Rules for Life (and, incidentally, I have also been devoting 1 lecture per year to Maps of Meaning). I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss Jordanetics as you do, but that&#8217;s because I see it primarily as a useful essay in anti-idolatry (i.e., in humanizing JBP) than a work of slander. You make a fair point, and I don&#8217;t want to read too much into the 3-day loss of sleep, but I also cannot imagine such a level of anxiety outside of the prestige economy.</p>
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		By: Jonathan Pageau		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2019 04:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The very fact that Jordan was even publicly talking to Milo shows that Jordan was willing to sacrifice some prestige currency for something more useful. Jordan told me that he could barely sleep for three days before the discussion. Imagine bringing on, with the desire of an open discussion, a man that wrote the introduction to a book so thick in slander that it went as far as making comments about its victim&#039;s wife.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very fact that Jordan was even publicly talking to Milo shows that Jordan was willing to sacrifice some prestige currency for something more useful. Jordan told me that he could barely sleep for three days before the discussion. Imagine bringing on, with the desire of an open discussion, a man that wrote the introduction to a book so thick in slander that it went as far as making comments about its victim&#8217;s wife.</p>
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		By: Davood Gozli		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2019 05:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-271&quot;&gt;Nate&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks. And, I read the article you linked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-271">Nate</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks. And, I read the article you linked.</p>
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		By: Davood Gozli		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2019 04:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-270&quot;&gt;Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Daniel! :) Good point. There is a danger of mistakenly identifying prestige economy (PE) only with the PE of an out-group, rejecting that version, but then being blind to one&#039;s own participation in the more tacit in-group PE. At the same time, it is not reasonable to demand a sacrifice of prestige that has absolutely no public or personal consequence (just to prove that one doesn&#039;t value it). 

Speculation: I am not against going to the meta-level, and continuing upward (meta-meta-...) until we reach a type of religious sphere, which is not more public than the previous levels, but in a sense more personal. At such a meta-meta-... level, we might even re-invent such propositional wheels as &quot;We are all equal in God&#039;s eyes&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dgozli.com/milo-peterson-youtube-prestige/#comment-270">Daniel</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Daniel! 🙂 Good point. There is a danger of mistakenly identifying prestige economy (PE) only with the PE of an out-group, rejecting that version, but then being blind to one&#8217;s own participation in the more tacit in-group PE. At the same time, it is not reasonable to demand a sacrifice of prestige that has absolutely no public or personal consequence (just to prove that one doesn&#8217;t value it). </p>
<p>Speculation: I am not against going to the meta-level, and continuing upward (meta-meta-&#8230;) until we reach a type of religious sphere, which is not more public than the previous levels, but in a sense more personal. At such a meta-meta-&#8230; level, we might even re-invent such propositional wheels as &#8220;We are all equal in God&#8217;s eyes&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Nate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2019 18:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Insightful analysis. This wasn&#039;t your focus, but it&#039;s rather laughable of Milo to make claims that he can&#039;t be part of the prestige economy because it threatens his integrity and character, when we already know what his character is worth:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/#66ed9803925c]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful analysis. This wasn&#8217;t your focus, but it&#8217;s rather laughable of Milo to make claims that he can&#8217;t be part of the prestige economy because it threatens his integrity and character, when we already know what his character is worth:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/#66ed9803925c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/10/06/breitbart-emails-trace-neo-nazi-moves-of-steve-bannon-milo-yiannopoulos-report/#66ed9803925c</a></p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2019 16:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very clearly written! I especially liked how you broke down signs vs objects and used that as a scaffold for prestige vs character.

Your last note made me think that the prestige economy can perniciously extend into the realm of character. &quot;JBP.. ...has all the more opportunities to demonstrate character by spending into the prestige economy, and show that he is driven by other values.&quot; 

Signalling one&#039;s good character by bowing out of the prestige economy, could be just another transaction in the prestige economy. Prestige on a meta-level.

It&#039;s like leaving a room through a door that looks like the exit, only to realize it enters back into the same room.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clearly written! I especially liked how you broke down signs vs objects and used that as a scaffold for prestige vs character.</p>
<p>Your last note made me think that the prestige economy can perniciously extend into the realm of character. &#8220;JBP.. &#8230;has all the more opportunities to demonstrate character by spending into the prestige economy, and show that he is driven by other values.&#8221; </p>
<p>Signalling one&#8217;s good character by bowing out of the prestige economy, could be just another transaction in the prestige economy. Prestige on a meta-level.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like leaving a room through a door that looks like the exit, only to realize it enters back into the same room.</p>
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